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  • 12 de Novembro, 2011
  • Por Carlos Esperança
  • Vaticano

O pudor irlandês

Relations between the Irish government and the Holy See have been deteriorating since July, when Prime Minister Enda Kenny loosed a blistering attack on the Vatican in a parliamentary address.

A papal visit to Ireland in 2012 now seems unlikely, in light of a public statement by the country’s foreign minister that the government does not plan to extend an invitation to the Pontiff.

Comentário: A Irlanda deixou de ser um protectorado do Vaticano e só convida quem julga recomendável.

13 thoughts on “O pudor irlandês”
  • Xpto

    Irlanda ( dados de 2010):

    a) Cristãos: 94.2%

    b) Ateus:     0.3%

    http://www.thearda.com/internationalData/countries/Country_112_2.asp

    • Rui Gomes

      Subscritores de Queen no youtube: 180254
      Subscritores de Justin Bieber no youtube: 1078305 

      Eu até hoje sempre pensei que Queen tinham sido das melhores bandas da história, mas visto que há mais gente a gostar de Justin Bieber, claramente eu estava errado. Isto porque a maioria tem sempre razão.

      • Anónimo

        Dedico essa musica do Queen aos religiosos….
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ9rUzIMcZQ&ob=av2e
        Is this the real life?
        Is this just fantasy?
        Caught in a landslide
        No escape from reality

        Open your eyes
        Look up to the skies and see
        I’m just a poor boy
        I need no sympathy

        Because I’m easy come, easy go
        A little high, little low
        Anyway the wind blows
        Doesn’t really matter to me, to me

  • Xpto

    Para quem desejar confirmar a credibilidade dos dados da ARDA, pode conferir nas referências que abaixo cito.

    É dirigida por Roger Finke, professor de Sociologia da Universidade da Pensilvânia:

    http://www.thearda.com/about/

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Finke

    A ARDA foi considerado um dos vinte melhores sites em 2010 pela MARS:

    http://www.ala.org/ala/mgrps/divs/rusa/sections/mars/marspubs/marsbestfreewebsites/marsbestfree2010.cfm

  • Xpto

    A ARDA foi seleccionada como um dos vinte melhores sites em 2010, ao lado de outros, como o referente aos dados do Supremo Tribunal Americano e o da Nasa.

    Quem doravante quiser pôr em causa os dados da ARDA pode sempre incorrer no ridículo.

    Porém, deixo a todos uma referência especial: o site da Nasa, cujas fabulosas imagens vale a pena serem admiradas, seja por aqueles que acreditam em Deus,seja por outros que confiam nas meras coincidências do Cego Acaso.

    Aproveitem. Ainda há Paz, Beleza e Grandeza neste mundo tantas vezes torpe:

    http://www.nasaimages.org/

  • Anónimo

    O Vatigang… ops Vaticano sempre cagou 1 kg pra Irlanda… sempre preferiu lamber as botas de London….. pois o Vaticano SA sempre teve atração pelos mais fortes…. Os ingleses já passaram o rodo n vezes nos irlandeses… com o silencio cumplice do papado…..

  • Anónimo

    o vaticano colaborou com holocausto irlandes na Era Vitoriana… Oh, my Dog!!! Irlanda (pais catolico!)

    http://www.irishholocaust.org/complicity
    Complicity of the Catholic Hierarchy with London’s planned genocide is,
    sad to say, well recorded. London, prior to removing Ireland’s food,
    appointed a few Irish Catholic Bishops to a Dublin Castle commission and
    awarded a £30,000 lump sum to Maynooth while increasing its annual
    grant from £9,000 to £26,000!12 Before British troops began
    starving Ireland the London parliament enacted a law to return some of
    the seized foods in the form of rations to all of Ireland’s Catholic
    hierarchy down to the level of, but not including, curates. Faced with
    residual hierarchical disquiet, M.P.s amended the law to include
    curates. This ended episcopal objections to the Irish Holocaust; it
    proceeded efficiently thenceforth. An Irish poet subsequently wrote;
    “…for the spire of the chapel of Maynooth is the dagger at Ireland’s
    heart.” A Munster bishop thanked God that he “lives in a country where a
    farmer would starve his own children to pay his landlord’s rent”! For
    two centuries until 1795, priests in Ireland were felons a priori. The
    government paid a 5 shilling bounty for each severed head. In 1795,
    British ministers decided that to completely subjugate Ireland the
    collaboration of the Catholic Church was indispensable. Britain thus
    stopped murdering priests and founded and funded Ireland’s national
    seminary; Maynooth. The tactic worked; the Irish Catholic Church became
    London’s tool. 13 It facilitated the Irish Holocaust; it
    sided with Britain in the Risings of 1798, 1848, 1867 and 1916,
    destroyed Parnellite democracy in 1890 (traumatizing James Joyce) 14
    and it has facilitated Britain’s vestigial genocide in the Six Counties
    since 1922. Cardinal Daly recently went so far as to “beg England’s
    forgiveness for the centuries of suffering inflicted upon it by the
    Irish!” Yet; isn’t Catholicism as gloriously redeemed by its persecuted
    Fr. Wilsons and Sr. Sarah Clarkes of today as by its earlier millions of
    saints martyred by Elizabeth I, Cromwell, Anne, George III, Victoria,
    et al?
     
    Irish Starvation Martyrs. Honorable Irish people
    everywhere are commemorating Ireland’s Holocaust of 1845-1850 by
    learning the truth of it. Thus, only dupes of British propaganda still
    refer to “The Irish Famine,” as nobody died of lack of potatoes; but
    over five million Irish Catholics died of starvation or of
    malnutrition-induced disease when British troops removed their meats,
    grains, dairy products, etc. Britain could have removed food enough to
    sustain 13 million (but not 18 million) without starving Ireland.  No
    Protestant starved in Ireland 15 Britain didn’t target them.
     
    The
    Truth Outs as we, the descendants of the survivors of that starvation
    will no longer be silenced. We denounce Ireland’s Strokestown “Famine
    Museum,” for its shameless “bait and switch” scam. Visitors seeking
    details of one of history’s worst genocides are subtly invited to admire
    the genocidal landlord’s grandiose taste in architecture and
    furnishings; all looted from the unpaid labor and land of the Irish
    families he murdered. It is highly unlikely that a Jew exists so
    depraved as to establish a Jewish Holocaust museum that similarly
    invites the visitor to slur the victims and admire, say, Goering’s taste
    in looted Jewish property. How dare President Robinson say “the famine
    shames the Irish”? It is her cover-up that shames the Irish! As
    Holocaust guilt is Nazis’, not the victims’, so the guilt for 1845-1850
    is the British perpetrators’ and the above cover-up artists’; not ours
    and not their murdered victims’. Irish-America must tell the truth of it
    because in Ireland it is still too dangerous. The Irish government has
    announced that in June, 1997 it will end the “Irish Famine
    commemoration” in a “wake cum musical celebration to bury the ghost of
    the famine.” Thus; the Irish government advertises its quisling status
    by ending the commemoration prior to the anniversaries of the murders of
    more than half of the 5.2 millions. What else can one expect from
    the government whose Consuls spoke in Illinois’ State Legislature in
    opposition to the McBride Principles for Fair Employment in Northern
    Ireland? They pose as anti-terrorists while collaborating with the
    British terrorists who, since 1969, have murdered over six times16
    as many noncombatants as have the IRA. An Irish bureaucrat recently
    joined our campaign to get the Irish Holocaust graves monumented, fenced
    and consecrated. He tells us that he will be fired or worse if his
    superiors learn of his involvement. He echoes another Irishman who, two
    centuries ago, observed; “Having a natural reverence for the dignity and
    antiquity of my native country, strengthened by education, and
    confirmed by an intimate knowledge of its history, I could not, without
    the greatest pain and indignation, behold … the extreme passiveness
    and insensibility of the present race of Irish, at such reiterated
    insults offered to truth and their country: instances of inattention to
    their own honor, unexampled in any other civilized nation.” 17
     
    Dishonored
    Martyrs; their Mass Graves. The discovery of mass graves resulting from
    genocide always causes international outcry. But the mass graves of the
    Irish genocide are unmarked and unmourned by the world at large. Why?
    Because the Truth was interred in those pits along with the martyrs. The
    bones of the murdered 5.2 million are scattered across Ireland, the
    Atlantic sea-floor and North American littorals; but they are
    concentrated in mass graves the permanently-abandoned state of which
    eloquently reveals the genocidists’ power. It was also mass martyrdom;
    as the victims could have saved their lives by renouncing their Faith.
    Food crops that civil law had forced them to tithe (before soldiers took
    the rest) to the local English State Church parson was on offer to
    whoever would renounce Catholicism and become Anglican. But they died
    for Faith and Freedom, and their mass graves are Ireland’s holiest
    places (excepting, perhaps, the graves of those who died resisting).
    Yet, the souls of these murdered millions still cry to us for justice.
    After 150 years their murders remain misattributed and the mass graves
    containing their sacred remains are still unfenced, unmarked and even
    unconsecrated. It is not the Irish people who are such brutes. The
    condition of the mass graves reveals the brutal extent of English
    control of Ireland today; how unfree Ireland actually is. But America is
    free; Britain’s MI6 can slur us but cannot murder us with the impunity
    they do in Dublin, Monaghan, the Occupied Six Counties, and as did
    British guards who entered the Maghaberry prison cell of Irishman Jim
    McDonnell on 3/30/96 and kicked him to death for asking to go to his
    father’s funeral. British terrorists, however, are operating in the U.S.
    In Valhalla’s Wake, authors McIntyre & Loftus report that,
    according to CIA sources, an MI6/SAS team of assassins murdered an
    American, John McIntyre, in Boston a decade ago. Five US citizens have
    been murdered by British terrorists in Ireland; none by the Irish. A
    law-abiding FBI agent alerted us a few years ago that some of his fellow
    agents; British-bribed; were planning MI6-type “dirty-tricks” crimes
    against us and that he was powerless to arrest them. Soon thereafter,
    FBI gangs, led by agent Edward P. Buckley, conducted five armed raids
    upon us, incarcerated me and my wife and two others, and fabricated
    evidentiary tape and committed perjury in an attempt to imprison us. 18
    The FBI also framed me for the murder of Mr. and Mrs. Langert in
    Winnetka; but the actual murderer, David Biro, saved my life by
    confiding his crimes to school friends who informed the police. Biro, a
    16-year-old, got life without parole. I would have gotten lethal
    injection. I knew nobody involved; had never heard of them in my entire
    life until the reports of the murders. Our attorneys photocopied the
    signed, FBI-fabricated police report that framed me. FBI/IRS crimes
    against us started shortly after we began exposing Britain’s Big Lie re
    Ireland. American democracy is, we sense, less violated by these FBI/IRS
    crimes than by the fact that law enforcement, pols and the news media
    have all, British-style, knowingly covered them up and that the legal
    profession is cowed. The FBI criminals’ British handlers tried to “take
    us out” to stop our support for basic rights in Ireland. The FBI later
    fabricated a malicious “immunity certificate” for me and my wife (making
    us appear to be FBI collaborators) and leaked it to an FBI asset for
    publication. 19 …

  • Anónimo

    trecho doo livro “A politica dos papas no século XX” (Karlheinz Deschner)

    “Lo que León XIII no obtuvo, ni esperaba ya poder obtener de Alemania y de Austria-Hungría, intentó obtenerlo a partir de ahora poniéndose del lado de los adversarios de aqué-llas. Ciertas variaciones de la política mundial, sobre las que el Vaticano puede a veces informarse antes que los demás gracias a sus excelentes contactos, parecían venir en su apoyo.
    El duque católico de Norfolk había informado al papa confidencialmente de que el ver-tiginoso ascenso de Alemania resultaba intolerable para las pretensiones inglesas de domi-nio mundial, teniendo, por consecuencia, una nueva política de Inglaterra, política que, en el fondo, era en verdad muy antigua, a saber, el constituirse en adversaria del poder conti-nental más fuerte. El nuevo antagonismo germano-inglés, que comenzó entonces a perfilar-se gradualmente y a determinar la política europea, mermaba considerablemente la impor-tancia de la Triple Alianza y ponía especialmente en peligro a Italia con sus largas y des-protegidas costas. Además, el imperio mundial británico, con sus gigantescos territorios coloniales, abría un enorme y tranquilo campo de operaciones a la misión universal del Vaticano. Como contrapartida, el papa debía, con ayuda de su clero, secundar a Inglaterra tanto en la opresión de los pueblos colonizados como —lo que constituía una ostensible traición— en la represión del alzamiento nacional de la católica Irlanda. «La administración inglesa y la misión católica unidas en la explotación colonial. Ello significaba para el Empi-re una tremenda ventaja y para la Iglesia católica y Romana un gran aumento de poder. En ese campo, Alemania no tenía mucho que ofrecer al Vaticano, pues había llegado tarde al reparto del mundo».”

  • Kavkaz

    A Irlanda terá fortes razões para não querer pagar as deslocações de Ratzinger e sua comitiva. E isso tem de ser compreendido e aceite.

  • Kavkaz

    A Irlanda tem fortes razões para recusar a visita do Papa. Na internet pode ler-se o seguinte:

    “O papa Bento 16 aceitou a renúncia em dezembro de quatro bispos irlandeses acusados de encobrirem o caso de abuso sexual infantil.

    O caso veio à tona com a publicação de um relatório elaborado pela juíza Yvonne Murphy. O documento contém as provas da existência de um esquema por meio do qual sacerdotes e autoridades policiais teriam encoberto casos de pedofilia por mais de 40 anos. Ao todo, 46 padres estão sendo investigados.

    O documento foi publicado pouco depois do relatório elaborado pela Comissão da Diocese de Dublin com o nome de 15 padres acusados pelo abuso de 450 crianças em um período de 35 anos. O relatório identifica também as vítimas e foi entregue ao ministro de Justiça, Dermot Ahern –que deve decidir se publicará o nome dos acusados, algo que pode causar uma polêmica de grandes proporções na Igreja Católica.

    http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/folha/mundo/ult94u693253.shtml

  • Hunig

    E onde os “caras” estão? Eles arrombaram criancinhas e onde eles estão? O conluio do desgraceiro “aceitou” as renúncias? Doeu muito? Perdeu muito? Aos que foram arrombado ficou por isso mesmo. No Brasil estão trançando o voto feudal na cara de todo mundo, já que tá tudo entupindo igrejas e batendo palmas para os vigaristas que pregam seus shows de mentiras.
    Mas uma coisa é certa, e prestem atenção  nisso: Os cientistas e as criancinhas são os que penam. Os cientistas são covardemente perseguidos e obrigados a entregar o que fazem não se sabe pra quê e pra quem, e as criancinhas são sacrificadas e estupradas não se sabe pra quê e nem pra quem.
    E tudo porque se prega uma vigarice que funciona assim: 
    “eu me matei por você, não resolvi p*rra nenhuma, e agora você dá dinheiro para uns canalhinhas “espertos” que suspendem o pescoço acima de vocês e nadam no bem-bom enquanto vocês ficam aí se ferrando e ainda aplaudindo, e até caçando os que não queiram ser esparros e escravos”.

  • Athan3

    Quer amargar um ódio descomunal? Conheça as crenças, fique exposto às traminhas delas, fique como alvo dos ‘recadinhos’ delas, deixe seus filhos ou seus amigos serem ‘notados’ por elas … Alguns dos que estão ali dentro delas não têm noção do que é tudo aquilo, e os que têm noção são tão vis e repugnantemente hipócritas, fingidos, covardes, e parasitadores, que a simples proximidade dessa nociva laia dá à pessoa consciente e sadia um intenso imensurável engulho, ao ver o arrastar-se deles ao redor. 

  • Haddammann Veron Sinn-Klyss

    Estou comunicando aos sem-crenças: Nenhum ser humano em seu brio de consciência e sentimentos autênticos e legítimos precisa ter mêdo de coisa alguma. Nem a mais relampejante ou ofuscante coisa é indestrutível.  As maiores riquezas de nós seres humanos é a consciência e o sentimento; e isso é suficiente para encararmos qualquer ameaça à nossa vida.
    Estou sendo claro: eu disse: Qualquer ameaça. Seja de parasitas, de onde e quantos for, lacaios do que for, que já nos assolam por tempos insuportáveis; agora temos a hora; ainda que só poucos de nós sobrevivam, NADA nos impedirá de viver em liberdade.
    Tudo quanto é mentira vai se chocar uma com a outra, e cada lacaio verá a própria estupidez na sua cara e não poderá contar com os algozes que têm sacrificado e parasitado nossa Civilização.
    Aprendam: Cada ser humano consciente, hoje, pode ser independente e potencialmente suficiente para fazer qualquer opressor ser desfeito. 
    Usem a consciência. O que a viabiliza está disponível. Acessem e apreendam a Lógica Espacial … nós somos um triunfo da Natureza … cabe-nos termos o brio disso.

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